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Is there a link to an example Application Specification document floating about? The BREW extranet mentions this in several places, but the directories it points you to don't seem to have the document. I believe there were some recent changes to the document form.

Thank you!

when you download and install SDK, you will find "BREWSampleAppGuide.pdf".

when you download and install SDK, you will find "BREWSampleAppGuide.pdf".

There are actually two very different Application Spec Template documents.
The first is the one Dragon has already mentioned... Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/developercontent/applicat...).
The second is the one in the zip file on the BREW Documentation Page. This one even has a lovely "NEW" icon next to it (although no date is provided)... BREW Developer Home -> App Development (on the left) -> BREW Documentation -> Testing Documentation -> Application Developer's TRUE BREW® Test Guide (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/truebrewtest/TestGuideDoc...).
Does anyone know for certain which of these documents is the one we're actually supposed to use for submissions?

There are actually two very different Application Spec Template documents.
The first is the one Dragon has already mentioned... Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/developercontent/applicat...).
The second is the one in the zip file on the BREW Documentation Page. This one even has a lovely "NEW" icon next to it (although no date is provided)... BREW Developer Home -> App Development (on the left) -> BREW Documentation -> Testing Documentation -> Application Developer's TRUE BREW® Test Guide (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/truebrewtest/TestGuideDoc...).
Does anyone know for certain which of these documents is the one we're actually supposed to use for submissions?

No even I got caught in the confusion as I was looking for the most current template file. Apart form the fact that it's all incredibly well hidden, file found at Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/cont...iontemplate.doc) is entirey outdated.
Max, can you please remove that one altogether or at leats link to the correct document?
The second one I didn't even find without consulting this thread.
So, here's a suggestion for the Extranet people, could you please include all relevant documentation in the "Documents" section where you would typically expect them? A date/version number would also help to identify when updates have occurred. The "New" button alone if pretty useless, really. What's new to one guy is old news to another one.

No even I got caught in the confusion as I was looking for the most current template file. Apart form the fact that it's all incredibly well hidden, file found at Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/cont...iontemplate.doc) is entirey outdated.
Max, can you please remove that one altogether or at leats link to the correct document?
The second one I didn't even find without consulting this thread.
So, here's a suggestion for the Extranet people, could you please include all relevant documentation in the "Documents" section where you would typically expect them? A date/version number would also help to identify when updates have occurred. The "New" button alone if pretty useless, really. What's new to one guy is old news to another one.

I contacted the BREW Web team to get this cleaned up, thanks.

I contacted the BREW Web team to get this cleaned up, thanks.

Dragon wrote:Apart form the fact that it's all incredibly well hidden, file found at Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/cont...iontemplate.doc) is entirey outdated.
So you're saying that is not the right file to submit to NSTL with? I am just about to submit an app to NSTL using that spec. NSTL actually links that particular file from their FAQ (see Q4 on the FAQ).
:eek:
Can anyone from Qualcomm (maybe Max) announce with certainty which of the two specs is the one we should be submitting apps with?

Dragon wrote:Apart form the fact that it's all incredibly well hidden, file found at Extranet -> Submit Apps -> Packaging Your BREW Application for Submital -> Application Specification Template (https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/cont...iontemplate.doc) is entirey outdated.
So you're saying that is not the right file to submit to NSTL with? I am just about to submit an app to NSTL using that spec. NSTL actually links that particular file from their FAQ (see Q4 on the FAQ).
:eek:
Can anyone from Qualcomm (maybe Max) announce with certainty which of the two specs is the one we should be submitting apps with?

Yes, this one is no longer valid and you cannot submit your app using this template.
The correct submission document is - as discussed above - found as part of the Test Guide Docs and can be found here
https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/truebrewtest/TestGuideDoc...

Yes, this one is no longer valid and you cannot submit your app using this template.
The correct submission document is - as discussed above - found as part of the Test Guide Docs and can be found here
https://brewx.qualcomm.com/bws/content/dx/docs/truebrewtest/TestGuideDoc...

Dragon, how do you know which of the two specs is correct? Did you fail a submission using the file on the extranet? Did someone from Qualcomm or NSTL tell you?
It's not that I don't trust what you say... believe me, I've picked up many juicy tidbits from your posts... I'm just searching for something official (even hearsay about something official) so I can sleep knowing whether the submission I am supposed to make in the morning is going to fail because the spec I've been working on all this time was the wrong one. It's the system I don't trust.
... OK, rant time...
For the past two years at the developers conference, Qualcomm has pedaled her commitment to the developer community. During this time, however, she has consistently demonstrated an inability to meet the most fundamental need of the developer... namely, supplying complete and up to date development and testing documentation in a manner that instills developer confidence. Perhaps I'm just crazy, but if Qualcomm can tell NSTL exactly what criteria must be met by any application that can pass TBT, it seems to me Qualcomm ought to be able to tell us (the developers), as well. This is an incredible corporate deficiency that has the potential to seriously F@#K up the developer landscape. How is it that for two DevCons in a row Big Q can hold sessions dedicated to the changing face of the BREW developer site and extranet without ever accomplishing the core task of organizing the information the sites contain?
... NEWS FLASH, QUALCOMM ... developers don't care about updated style sheets, we care about not flushing testing fees down the toilet.
I don't know if I'm speaking for any other developers out there, but when/if Qualcomm gets her act together on this (what a great name for a BREW 2005 DevCon session, "We've finally gotten our act together"), will anyone actually believe it? We've been sitting on an NSTL submission for a week, scouring the developer site and forums attempting to conclude whether we actually have all the correct/up-to-date documents in our submission. This is the developer mindset I believe the current order of things nurtures. It's a terrific shame :(
... OK, ranting complete :-) ...
Thanks again for your input, Dragon. So far, this thread is the only spot in BREWland I've found that discusses the spec issue.

Dragon, how do you know which of the two specs is correct? Did you fail a submission using the file on the extranet? Did someone from Qualcomm or NSTL tell you?
It's not that I don't trust what you say... believe me, I've picked up many juicy tidbits from your posts... I'm just searching for something official (even hearsay about something official) so I can sleep knowing whether the submission I am supposed to make in the morning is going to fail because the spec I've been working on all this time was the wrong one. It's the system I don't trust.
... OK, rant time...
For the past two years at the developers conference, Qualcomm has pedaled her commitment to the developer community. During this time, however, she has consistently demonstrated an inability to meet the most fundamental need of the developer... namely, supplying complete and up to date development and testing documentation in a manner that instills developer confidence. Perhaps I'm just crazy, but if Qualcomm can tell NSTL exactly what criteria must be met by any application that can pass TBT, it seems to me Qualcomm ought to be able to tell us (the developers), as well. This is an incredible corporate deficiency that has the potential to seriously F@#K up the developer landscape. How is it that for two DevCons in a row Big Q can hold sessions dedicated to the changing face of the BREW developer site and extranet without ever accomplishing the core task of organizing the information the sites contain?
... NEWS FLASH, QUALCOMM ... developers don't care about updated style sheets, we care about not flushing testing fees down the toilet.
I don't know if I'm speaking for any other developers out there, but when/if Qualcomm gets her act together on this (what a great name for a BREW 2005 DevCon session, "We've finally gotten our act together"), will anyone actually believe it? We've been sitting on an NSTL submission for a week, scouring the developer site and forums attempting to conclude whether we actually have all the correct/up-to-date documents in our submission. This is the developer mindset I believe the current order of things nurtures. It's a terrific shame :(
... OK, ranting complete :-) ...
Thanks again for your input, Dragon. So far, this thread is the only spot in BREWland I've found that discusses the spec issue.

I believe Qualcomm sent out an email at the time that the new template has become a requirement and supercedes the old one. I don't remember exactly what or when it was but I know that the new template is the one with the Qualcomm cover sheet.
As for your rant, I fell a bit relieved that someone else is finally voicing his oppinion. I started to feel a little lonely around here to be honest with virtually no support from anyone. :p

I believe Qualcomm sent out an email at the time that the new template has become a requirement and supercedes the old one. I don't remember exactly what or when it was but I know that the new template is the one with the Qualcomm cover sheet.
As for your rant, I fell a bit relieved that someone else is finally voicing his oppinion. I started to feel a little lonely around here to be honest with virtually no support from anyone. :p

Dragon,
I agree with you on most (actually, i think all) of you rants and support what you say. I'm just not a big ranter myself and dont want to post simple "me too" posts. So please keep it up ;) I will try to rant more too :P
-Tyndal

Dragon,
I agree with you on most (actually, i think all) of you rants and support what you say. I'm just not a big ranter myself and dont want to post simple "me too" posts. So please keep it up ;) I will try to rant more too :P
-Tyndal

Please do rant...we appreciate constructive criticism. :eek:

Please do rant...we appreciate constructive criticism. :eek:

Ok, I just tried following the links in this old thread, where is he App Spec template now?
tia

Ok, I just tried following the links in this old thread, where is he App Spec template now?
tia